Sortd for Gmail
介绍：Trello for Gmail - Transform your email into organized lists
I use the email workflow from @andreasklinger :
as others have said, this kind of seems like an extension for that.
Emre Ersahin: I have been using it for a week now. Sortd is a dream product but it has some more way to go. I am not feeling happy about mandatory 3rd party cookies and today after the new release gmail slowed down dramatically, so I uninstalled it for now. Definitely will keep an eye for future versions.
Clark Valberg: I LOVE this product!
Ahmad Awais: I have a security concern about such Gmail Apps. I am allowing your app to access and manage my emails, how does that work in theory? Can you read my emails now? Since that's what API allows you to do.
I've been waiting for a "tweetdeck for gmail".
I would love columns to support labels, filters, and search. i.e: IF [label] include email in column. or "IF [filter] then include email"
I need more automation for this to be useful enough to leave my setup with Airmail.
Corley: I just downloaded Sortd and am starting to use it. The UI is clean. It will take a few days to see if the features are simple enough to stick with or too complex to be useful day to day. I do feel like it is an automated version of @andreasklinger 's awesome approach to gmail.
Lynne d Johnson: My initial experience with Sortd was kind of like my initial experience with Gmail Inbox. I felt you had to learn too much or set up too many things to really get into using it. But no I was wrong. It's not just like Trello for Gmail it's even more than that. For years, I was adding this plugin and that plugin to Gmail like Boomerang and others. Sortd is like all of them and more. It has just about limited my needs for creating to-do lists or using other services to set up dates and alerts with activities and projects that I'm working on. Instead of treating my Inbox like a TO-DO box I'm actually able to now put real actions forward and not have to search and find through filters and star systems and highlights. I'm out of the Inbox and getting things done. I love Sortd and I've recommended it on Twit TV This Week In Google and all over social media.
NathanMaggard: Months later, still horribly, unbearably slow. So disappointed..
Philip Chun: Does this play well with other gmail add-ons like yesware/mixmax?
Alibek Datbayev: Trello for Gmail
Sebastian J. Kuhnert: I think part of me has always been waiting for this product :)
Matt Hodges: Sortd looks great, @waynesilby. Just signed up for the beta. How does one get their hands on an invite code? ;)
There's no end to the number of products created to make email more efficient/less painful (see this collection). The Trello-like interface could be very useful for bucketing emails and to-do's (I use Gmail stars to highlight things I need to respond to but they often get lost in my waterfall inbox).
@waynesilby - why did you decide to build something for email, a space filled with skeletons?
Chris Messina: Looks like Sortd doesn't play well with Mixmax?
Shawn Mayzes: Should I be concerned with security? The app requires access to read my browsing history. My biggest fear is my emails be read or at the very least accessible in some form because I installed the plugin. Would love some feedback on this.
This is the first email app that I've found worth taking the time and effort to go up the learning curve to try. We all know that email has been broken for some time - I think this app tackles the problem the right way. I super want this project to succeed. There are a number of bugs that I'm sure you're aware of already. Encountering them makes me tempted to stop using the app, and oftentimes I do switch back to regular gmail, but I keep coming back because I see so much potential. I've never been an inbox 0 person, but this format hacks my brain in a way that has got me closer than ever before.
2 of the bigger bugs I've found that frustrate me:
- When I have an email open and drag it from inbox anywhere else, it always ends up being a different email than then one I was dragging. Thats pretty scary. But no worries, beta, I get it.
- No easy way (that I can see) to drag multiple emails over to a list
All in all though, I really like it so far. Email is so archaic so I'm sure it must be a nightmare to sync Sortd perfectly with everything. It kind of needs to be though, so kudos to you guys for taking on the challenge. I look forward to seeing improvements as I keep using the product.
Greg Moore: Just downloaded today and started using it. Very intuitive, clean and helpful after even 20 minutes of going 'inbox zero'. The ability to nest emails together and change the subject of a task from the subject is really what sets this tool apart from other email productivity systems.
Colin Vincent: Sortd is DOPE sauce and everyone I share it with is loosing their minds. Nice work!!!
Elena Benito Ruiz: Just fell in love. Kudos.
Alliah: Just found out about Sortd this morning through swissmiss newsletter and I'm already sharing it with people I work with.
Sortd Team, I have been using the product 100% in place of the Gmail box since June 1st. The product is great and simple to use. I know there are many bugs, but I know it is still in development, and the benefits outweigh the bugs still for me. The one major bug that bothers me is the way it interfaces with the Gmail "Archive" feature. I have noticed that archived mails constantly come back and re-appear in the left in-box. While all the other bugs are tolerable, this one really kills me. If I close the window and launch a new one, sometimes it fixes it self. But much of the time I need to go back through a bunch of emails and re-archive them. It is duplication of work and also it makes me not trust the accuracy of the left in-box.
I'm looking forward to future updates. Thanks for everything so far!
Parth Trivedi: I just can't seem to figure out why it wouldn't work well with Mixmax. Is anyone else having this problem?
Greg Moore: Curious - What is the intended monetization strategy? I've been using Sortd now for a week+ and really find that it's working well for me and intend to continue to use it long term. I am hoping I can pay for this down the road when it's out of beta rather than having to succumb to ads or worse. Will there be a monthly/yearly subscription option? Thanks in advance - and thank you for making a great app!
Solid presentation. I can see Gmail morphing their current tabs into this...what happens then?
Plans for mobile?
Steven Forbes: I love this - after Mailbox shutdown my inbox has been spiraling into chaos!
@rrhoover There are of course exceptions like Mailbox and Acompli who have done ok ;-) But the fact that so many have tried and failed is testament to the fact that email is in dire need of fixing and, right up there with world peace, we have hopes for a world with better email!
If you are like me, you live in your Inbox all day, but using it to stay on top of stuff is pure chaos. The Inbox was never meant to be a ToDo list, but that’s how I use it (I even email myself to get stuff into my Inbox, all the time). My team felt the same way - so this all started when we decided we would just solve our own email problems :-)
Our first thought was ‘surely by now someone has fixed email’. After a lot of research it just seemed that no one had really nailed it (@paulg also makes mention of this in his talk on the biggest startup ideas - http://youtu.be/R9ITLdmfdLI?t=7m34s).
The big fish in the space weren’t innovating enough (I guess that’s something that happens with big fish). And while there were some interesting new email apps out there, most of them required you to abandon the email app you already use (the one with all your data, where you know how to find everything). It’s painful moving to a new app for something like email when you rely on it so heavily.
We figured that we could build a really simple and effective solution by complementing the email application people use already. Gmail was a perfect fit because we could extend it in the browser and there are loads of people who use it for work email (which is where Sortd really shines).
So in short – email seems to have some inherent problems, and while other companies have tried to reinvent it, we think we have cracked a really simple and practical way to manage it with an organization-first approach.
Sortd also leverages a lot of the underlying stuff that Gmail does well, so rather than reinventing the wheel we were able to focus solely on the part that we feel is missing from email - a really visual and intuitive way to organize it in the context of your tasks & priorities.
Plus you only live once and we were looking for a big hairy challenge to keep things exciting :-) On a serious note, we wanted to work on something relevant to ourselves and millions of other people – fixing email is it!
@andreasklinger @corleyh I am a fan of Andreas's email workflow.
We have tried to keep Sortd really flexible so people can tailor it to the way they work with email. You can easily rename and re-order the default lists for example, and even add more if you need.
Sortd is really good at a few things that Gmail isn't, so you might find it quite easy to use Andreas's methodology with Sortd. Features like drag and drop prioritizing on any of your lists, and the ability to rename the subject of an email to something more relevant will probably come in handy.
Also, I find that merging related email threads and adding ToDos alongside my emails tends to bring my priorities into the mix - so I find myself doing more of the things I want to and less Inbox maintenance.
Would love to hear how it works out for you though?
Joe Anderson: @jasonhitchcock would def pay for this
Jayne Bayquen: @corleyh I've tried @andreasklinger's approach to email and love it! BUT I kinda wanted the Priority Inbox sorting features too. So with Sortd you get the best of both worlds and I'm such a fan!
@chrismessina yeah in part this is what we’re solving for. Mixmax gives platform access to email, so anyone can bring an app into email with Mixmax to improve their productivity.
Fwiw, think it works fine actually as long as sortd lives on the side vs. replacing the entire inbox:)
@olofster yeah, I know it's tough since the Gmail FE isn't technically a "platform" for others to hook into (even Gmail Labs seems in disrepair). For now I guess I'll have to cycle through these extensions and see which works best.
FWIW, I'd really love it if you integrated with Mailplane, since that's how I prefer to use Gmail.
@rrhoover @paulg @waynesilby My wife may read an email and then mark it as unread so she knows there is a task in it. In Gmail she can sort emails by Unread first, then Read emails.
In sortd, if she has a list of emails (from what I understand about how it works) they don't sort by read/unread emails. Unread first, then all the read emails in the list.
If you ever want to discuss (via email HA!) further, feel free to contact me.This is a pet peeve of mine that i'd love to see someone fix.
Wayne Silbermann: @brandhull We store the new subject on our side with a reference to the original mail. You are right, the original subject remains intact when you view view emails outside of Sortd. We've just released a mobile app - it's still got a way to go before you can use it as a replacement email experience on your mobile, but it allows you to manage all of your Sortd data (which obviously includes renamed subjects)...
Wayne Silbermann: @jasonhitchcock It's on our product roadmap. I can't make promises re the timing, but it is a priority.
@smayzes The Sortd Smart Skin is a Chrome Extension. The permission to access your browsing history is there so that we can ensure it only runs in Gmail and not in other tabs (i.e. it just needs to know that you are in Gmail). This is something we are looking to tighten up if we can, Sortd doesn't need to know anything about your actual browsing history to function.
Re access to your emails, Sortd only reads email headers from your mailbox so that it can include information like the Sender and Subject when you drag a mail to one of your lists. It doesn't read email content at all - that's still all done in Gmail (we basically get Gmail to open the mails you click on, we don't do that ourselves).
Hope that makes sense...
Elena Benito Ruiz: @waynesilby my 10 invites are gone and I have a line of people asking for more, I got your redeem coupon :) but if I give it or publish it, the first one getting it will have unfair advantage (since it's only for 10 people). Is there any way to get another 10 invites so I can email the invite from the app itself? THANKS SO MUCH
Hillary Draagonius: @waynesilby @ajwaxman I really like Sortd, but one major issue I've been having is using gmail shortcuts with Sortd. It looks like some things work, but others get overridden when emails are open (to the right). Labeling is a little funky, and hitting the enter/return key doesn't result in labeling the email with the topmost result like gmail allows you normally. I'd also like to multi-select and then drag all those into a list, which doesn't seem possible (or isn't obvious to me). Otherwise, dragging one by one is super slow especially on a laptop.
Wayne Silbermann: :blush: Thanks @elenabrz ;)
Wayne Silbermann: Thanks @jaykishanp
@rrhoover @paulg @waynesilby Email is one of those dragons I'd love to challenge, but just wouldn't know where to start. I like gmail, yet hate their basic format. I end up using Active Inbox and Streak to create better workflow within gmail, and you'd think several of those tools would be in basic gmail.
The primary window most everyone stares at all day is email. But I don't just need email. I need my tasks, projects and calendar. So I use different apps/websites for each and hack them all together one way or the other. And I think we've all sent ourselves an email as a task (which I hate). I think the foundations of email needs an overhaul in a way that will let people use it in new ways outside of the current sets of hacks. I just don't know what that would look like, but I know what I wish it would do.
My wife really likes Sortd. She had some issues here and there, but overall find it makes her gmail experience better (and she hates gmail). Her one suggestion is she'd like the emails in sorted to be unread then read which it doesn't currently do. So she moves from gmail view to sortd as she needs.
Wayne Silbermann: @rrhoover @paulg @golocalapps We are just about to release a new feature to improve on that exact experience, so I'd love to hear your thoughts. And your wife's :) What's your email add? Otherwise pls email me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Shawn Mayzes: @waynesilby That does make sense. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
Ross@GoLocalApps: @waynesilby I'll email you in a bit.
Olof Mathé: @waynesilby definitely time for that association!
Corley: @waynesilby I'll definitely keep you posted.
@blainehatab Not sure if I can be objective here, but yes :)
I love Gmail too, but I think it's a bit lacking on the organization front. Unless you are one of those people who just knows what they have to do in a day and never forgets anything (I wish I was by the way), you need to use a system to keep organized. Sortd just lets you do that inside Gmail so you don't need to keep switching between your email and whatever system you use to manage your priorities.
As for alternate email clients - even Gmail came out with one - Inbox :) I guess email is one of those things that gets more out of control with time, and the tools need to adapt to deal with it.
@rrhoover @paulg @golocalapps You are right that the foundation of email needs an overhaul. The problem is that everybody uses email - it's a standard - it's a way to reach someone based on an addressing scheme. The likes of Slack are creating alternate ways to communicate that are better in many ways for team communication, but email is still going to be around for a long long time (mainly because people expect to be able to contact other people that way).
What's interesting is that email should really just be a way to communicate, but often work is generated based on email conversations. It's generated from other forms of communication too (like Slack, Skype and even Whatsapp these days), but the pain point is in dealing with all the work that comes from the conversations you have every day (especially when you also have to invest time triaging and 'cleaning up' so you don't miss anything).
What we've tried to do with Sortd is add to the foundation by introducing the missing pieces that deal with organization (tasks, the idea of priority etc). So in a way, we've extended the protocol without the need to dig in and change what's already there. We have a long way to go before we've covered all the bases but I think we're headed in the right direction.
Re your wife's suggestion to mark items read/unread, I'm not sure what you mean - it works the same way Gmail does, so when you have viewed a message it's marked as read. It synchronises with the underlying Mailbox via Imap though, so you might notice small delays updating to mobile for example.
Wayne Silbermann: @ajwaxman Gmail shortcuts should work fine in Sortd. Did you try one that isn't working?
Blaine Hatab: @waynesilby yeah good point about gmail coming out with one. I just always check all my emails and stay on top of it.
It's not impossible. However Gmail is really good at algorithms, so it's no surprise they went the route they did with bundles on their Inbox product. And I suspect that they will continue to provide smart ways of filtering and getting through the clutter. That's not really what Sortd is about - it's more of an organizer that you can put your emails on.
We're developing the mobile app at the moment - hope to have something out by end of Q1 this year. We don't intend to compete with existing mobile email apps for now, but there will be ways to see and manage what's on your Sortd lists. It will also have integration points to be able to add emails to Sortd from whatever mobile app you already use.
Matt: @golocalapps That's all that matters most of the time!
Wayne Silbermann: @chrismessina Will look into that. It's quite tough making sure it's compatible with all the Gmail extensions out there, because it's not really a managed ecosystem. All of the players in this space are doing some fancy footwork to get these products to work well with Gmail. @olofster @chanpory @bradvogel perhaps it's time for a Gmail Extensions association...
@akosner We are trying to create a very workable user experience with the simplicity of manual 'drag and drop' sorting. When we have cracked that we have plans to get a lot smarter with automation.
But great question - things can certainly start getting really interesting with the use of machine learning.
@akosner Machine learning is one of those things that I believe you have to execute well or not at all. If it goes wrong it goes very wrong, and when it comes to email - that's sacred ground, so we are treading very carefully.
Even Google, who are the best in the game when it comes to this stuff, don't have it 100% right (IMHO). My personal experience with their tab solution for example, while it works mostly well, is one of frustration at times. My feeling when finding an email incorrectly placed in the promotions tab is 'come on Gmail, you should know better'. And sure, you can correct it, but I think that it might have been a better solution if I had taught it what to put in which tabs. Or maybe a light mode and an aggressive mode makes sense.
Interested to hear your thoughts...
Wayne Silbermann: @melissaschaff It looks like Gmail are testing out an 'auto-migration' to Inbox (there is a way to go back if this happened to you by the way). Having spoken to a number of people who have tried Inbox, I think the jury is still out. While we are building Sortd up to be ready for an official launch it's still a little premature for us to create a version for Inbox, but there's no doubt we will eventually support it. It's important for us to be where the market is, so as Inbox starts to gain momentum we will put our focus there accordingly.
Brandon Hull: @waynesilby When you change the subject of an email, how does that work, exactly? I can see how to do it -- but since that's not a native feature of Gmail, is that only happening within Sortd? If I were to view my emails outside of Sortd (like via mobile), are the original subject lines intact?
Wayne Silbermann: @rohitc You can have multiple Compose windows open like in Gmail. If you want to have multiple emails from your Inbox open you can use the pop-out button at the top right of Gmail's preview pane.
Wayne Silbermann: @srhtiletir Sortd doesn't store any of your mail on our infrastructure (only references to mails that you add to Sortd). You don't need to give us your login details either, we use Gmail to authenticate your account.
Wayne Silbermann: @pchun218 Some yes, some partially. You can always minimise Sortd to get back to standard Gmail if you find something isn't working as expected with one of the other addons though. Or you can use Sortd on a different Chrome profile if you want to use them all together.
Wayne Silbermann: @elenabrz Sorry about the late reply. Will send to you via email...
Wayne Silbermann: @rohitc Can you elaborate? If you click anywhere outside the notes area it should save your note.
Wayne Silbermann: @ladyhoov The Sortd mobile app is in early stage Beta. We hope to get it to a lot more people soon, but in the mean time if you want to apply for the mobile Beta you can do that here: https://sortd.typeform.com/to/Gk...
Wayne Silbermann: @rossi_kkundk Thanks. Yes it is still in Private Beta. We're very hard at work to solve the performance issues, which typically only surface when there is a large influx of traffic - so you can thank Product Hunt for that :) Re Trello - no reason not to use them both. I use Trello myself, but I need to manage my email either way, so doing it Trello-style works great for me...
@joerguy We try to be as compatible with other extensions as possible, but unfortunately we can't make any guarantees. It's a long list and in many cases they aren't compatible with each other. It doesn't make any permanent changes though and we've tried to keep Sortd as isolated as possible, so I would encourage you to try it and see if there are any features that it doesn't play well with. Would also appreciate your feeedback on that by the way.
If you find that there are conflicts that prevent them from working well together you can just disable / uninstall the extension, or if you want to use them all 'simultaneously' you can install Sortd on a different Chrome profile (https://support.google.com/chrom...).
Wayne Silbermann: @vishal_in Thanks. Yes we do :-) Still a question on whether an Outlook integration or standalone IMAP-compatible app comes first though. Feel free to share your thoughts...
Wayne Silbermann: @adammoisa You mean on the web site? What browser are you using?
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